Talk:Color

Maybe a variation of the Munsell system would be a more elegant way to create each "shades of x" article

I started out thinking that the RGB system was the way to go, but I soon noticed its shortcomings. One of them is that its colour wheel is not balanced. For example, the transition from red to yellow is way too short in the wheel. After seeing many different colour wheels, I believe that Munsell's is the most balanced when it comes to doing justice to each hue's space in the colour wheel, and not overemphasising others. It makes the most sense while looking at the spectral colours in firsthand through a prism. It also has the property that each one of these hues is really close to its complementary. Please let me know what you think.

Example of how it would look like (for the hues only, it excludes brown or pink, for example):

1 Shades of red

2 Shades of orange

3 Shades of yellow

4 Shades of chartreuse/lime (main representative colour being near #98cf00)

5 Shades of green (main representative colour being near #19d451)

6 Shades of cyan/aqua (near #00c7b0)

7 Shades of blue (near #1f9bed)

8 Shades of ultramarine/indigo (near #6369ff)

9 Shades of purple/violet (near #bf66ff)

0 Shades of magenta (near #ff57b3)

You can also notice that these colours match their complementaries really well:

red-cyan

orange-blue

yellow-ultramarine (it's the same hue as the RGB 0000FF)

chartreuse-purple/violet

Amecordo

the dogg side effects: 1%$32466587+90?). (8) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.189.176.3 (talk) 05:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Have you finished working on these changes? I am tidying the talk page for Color as most of the items seem to be old and resolved. UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 04:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

green-magenta

The RGB red is slightly orange-ish. If you look at the red through a prism, you can clearly see that there is a redder red than the RGB one. If we try to find the complementary for this pure red, it falls somewhere between 170 to 180 degrees in the HSV hue wheel.

I also think that the archetypical blue should be something around 210 degrees, because that's what most people and cultures think of the archetypical blue. The RGB blue is slightly violet-ish.

So my proposal is to: 1 merge 'shades of cyan' and 'shades of spring green' and call it 'shades of blue-green'.

2 rename 'shades of azure' as 'shades of blue' and add some new colours to it that represent both the blues closer to cyan and the blues closer to ultramarine.

3 rename 'shades of blue' as 'shades of ultramarine or indigo', and move some of the colours there to the new 'shades of blue'.

4 merge 'shades of magenta' with 'shades of rose'.

Let me know what you think. Restfultree2022 (talk) 08:41, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Take a look at ISCC–NBS system. –jacobolus (t) 09:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion, I think it's missing blue-green, magenta (those hues between 300 and 350 degrees), and ultramarine (between 230 and 255 degrees) as primary hues. In my opinion, these hue areas deserve acknowledgement on par with 'shades of red' and so on. Restfultree2022 (talk) 22:01, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

These are all given clear and unambiguous names. "Magenta" is called purplish red (pR), "ultramarine" is called purplish blue (pB). Also "teal"/"turquoise" is split into bluish green (bG) and greenish blue (gB) (though personally I might instead make a single blue–green category a bit smaller than the combination of those two put together). The point was to make precisely defined categories, not to give every category a one-word name. Anyway, this is more or less what you were asking or: a clearly specified system based on Munsell coordinates. –jacobolus (t) 23:06, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I see. Yeah, what I'm mostly pondering on is what the exemplary colour code should be for the archetype of each hue.

It's also about the balance of the colour wheel. I see more difference between red to yellow than red to RGB magenta for example. The RGB green is slightly yellower than the greenest green I can see in the spectrum. The RGB colour wheel gets quite strange around green. One it gets near 120 degrees, there is very minimum difference. That's not what happens in the rainbow. I think it has something to do with how limited the sRGB gamut is about making those greens. Restfultree2022 (talk) 01:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm thinking, maybe this is the most balanced way to divide the colour wheel: https://imgur.com/a/hOYTYFJ

But I'm not sure. Restfultree2022 (talk) 02:34, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2024

I would like to add more information. 76.80.235.226 (talk) 21:32, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. PianoDan (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Is it reasonable to remove this from the Color talk page now? UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 04:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

This page is protected but doesn't display any corresponding icon or banner, which I found a bit confusing... {{pp-semi-indef}}, I think?

- 2A02:560:5829:B000:B9F7:CF82:EEE5:7596 (talk) 13:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Done.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Shall we remove this item from the talk page now? Color is no longer locked. UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 04:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Where to discuss False Color images

I would like to add the topic of False color to the Color page. Please suggest where to discuss this on this page. UniversalHumanTranscendence (talk) 04:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2024

change "British and Commonwealth English" to plain old "Commonwealth English" 2600:1700:14BE:E00:ACCA:E9DF:5238:DD45 (talk) 02:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the alert. HiLo48 (talk) 03:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)